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ALAMEDA COUNTY, Calif. -- The long hot summers of the San Joaquin Valley suck great tsunamis of cool coastal air through the Altamont Pass, producing winds so powerful that a person can lean nearly 45 degrees without falling down.

Such awesome force gave birth in the early 1980s to the world's largest collection of wind turbines, pioneers in what is now America's fastest-growing form of renewable energy and an increasingly important weapon in the battle against global warming.

But the Altamont Pass Wind Resource Area is also a symbol of the wind industry's biggest stain -- the killings of thousands of birds, including majestic golden eagles, by turbines. The result has been a wrenching civil war among those who are otherwise united in the struggle to save the planet and its creatures.

It's been nearly a year since a controversial legal settlement was forged among wildlife groups, wind companies and Alameda County regulators. That agreement, opposed by some parties to the dispute, promised to reduce deaths of golden eagles and three other raptor species by 50 percent in three years and called for the shutdown or relocation of the 300 or so most lethal of the approximately 5,000 windmills at Altamont.

But five scientists appointed by the county say the settlement and accompanying efforts to reduce bird deaths are not on track to meet the 50 percent goal, and they recently surveyed the Altamont to determine which additional turbines should be removed or relocated to spots less likely to kill birds.

Known officially as the Scientific Review Committee, the panel agreed Dec. 21 that more turbines need to be removed or relocated. It issued a new list of 309 targeted turbines, plus 102 more if the wind companies refuse to continue a current, temporary shutdown of all their windmills into February. The wind operators had previously agreed to a two-month shutdown, for November and December.

FPL Energy, the company with the most turbines in the Altamont, has not seen the specifics of the new recommendations from the scientists and cannot comment, company spokesman Steven Stengel said last week.

"We are deeply distressed about the continuing bird deaths and about the companies not being on track for the 50 percent reduction," said Elizabeth Murdock, executive director of the Golden Gate Audubon Society, a chief plaintiff in the lawsuit that has reshaped the battle over the birds.

But Stengel said, "It is too early in the process to accurately judge whether we are on track." The scientific review is meant to find ways of protecting the birds without putting the companies out of business, he said.

No one knows for sure how many birds are killed by the Altamont turbines -- a 2004 California Energy Commission report estimated the golden eagle toll to be between 75 and 116 a year, while total bird kills were put in the 1,766 to 4,721 range. The Audubon Society lawsuit targets four raptor species -- golden eagle, red-tailed hawk, American kestrel and burrowing owl -- which suffered 456 to 1,129 fatalities per year, the study estimated.

Subsequent data indicate that bird deaths have not decreased since the settlement was reached last January and that efforts to achieve a 50 percent reduction in three years are far behind, said Shawn Smallwood, an independent consultant in avian ecology who co-authored the 2004 California Energy Commission study and is one of the five county-appointed scientists.

James Walker, president-elect of the industry-backed American Wind Energy Association, said the wind companies also want to save birds and are helping to fund the study of the problem. He also said wind power helps save bird lives by combatting global warming, which the National Audubon Society acknowledges as a threat to many bird species.

Rick Koebbe, head of Altamont Winds Inc., another of the half-dozen firms that own turbines in the Altamont, said the impact on birds has to be weighed against the human deaths and diseases that are reduced by using wind power instead of pollution-producing fossil fuels.

Numerous surveys and studies of dead birds have taken place in the Altamont going back to at least 1992, but the analysis, according to a 2005 Government Accountability Office review of the studies, "has been complicated by confounding variables."

The problem is not simply birds running into spinning blades. Many dead birds have been found around turbines that were turned off. Some have been electrocuted by live wires near operating turbines, while others apparently were killed by predators.

Despite the perplexing data, many experts agree that a chief cause of bird deaths is the sheer number of windmills at Altamont, which features many old, small turbines in the 100-kilowatt range. More modern wind farms employ taller, more powerful machines able to generate 1 to 3 megawatts.

Replacing the many old turbines with fewer, more powerful ones -- a process termed "repowering" -- is official county policy and would be "a big part of the solution," Murdock said. The idea is that bigger turbines would not only dramatically reduce the spinning blades to about one-tenth of their current number but also turn more slowly and be higher off the ground, presumably moving them farther away from raptors that dive for mice and other prey.


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Julie wrote on Jan 3, 2008 2:03 PM:

" This is a very sad & troubling story. While the U.S. needs to find alternative means of energy, the birds are paying the ultimate price. And when push comes to shove, I'm afraid the bird deaths will continue. I hope there can be a decisive median reached so that the wildlife can be protected in this matter. "

Dixiedog wrote on Jan 3, 2008 3:43 PM:

" I recently toured a new wind farm in Northern Colorado. The towers are really tall, they create more megawatts and the blades are much larger and slow-moving. This is much safer for the birds. It is clear that the answer to the California problem is to replace the small, fast moving blades with the larger, bird-safe towers and it is also clear that our taxes should be utilized to subsidize the replacement instead of being squandered on an illegal war. Neither the birds nor the people should have to be losers in this issue. "

Don wrote on Jan 3, 2008 7:29 PM:

" > instead of being squandered on an illegal war

Wow, only took 2 comments before someone tried to turn this into something political.

I think you're right though. I've seen some of the turbines you speak of and the blades turn so slowly that you'd think any bird could get out of the way. "

swordplay wrote on Jan 3, 2008 8:18 PM:

" Perhaps some sort of high pitched alarm powered by the rush of air like deer alerts on autos used in my area would scare off the birds and their prey.There by reducing the number of these beautiful and needed raptors killed. "

lorak wrote on Jan 3, 2008 8:26 PM:

" The other studies I've heard regarding the danger of the turbines, is that something actually attracts the birds to the spinning blades .. that they aren't necessarily killed due to their flight path to dinner rather their attraction to the units themselves. Definately slower moving blades would lessen the frequency of death of these beautiful creatures. "

annonymous wrote on Jan 3, 2008 9:16 PM:

" why dont we put these things in the range of air force one that would do us all a favour!!!!!asama
bin laden!!!!ps best of friends!!!! "

windfan wrote on Jan 3, 2008 10:10 PM:

" Every other fan in the world has a protective cover to keep out animals, fingers, etc.. . . why not these things? "

Bryan wrote on Jan 3, 2008 10:19 PM:

" Just build nuclear plants like the French and the stop the nonsense that wind power will save the planet. "

El Commandante wrote on Jan 3, 2008 10:57 PM:

" We should reinstall the windmills in the state legislature! With all the hot air being passed around and maybe they'd take out a couple of those politician bastards!!

Neither the birds nor the people should have to be losers in this issue !!! "

Rob wrote on Jan 4, 2008 6:52 AM:

" Tear all the bird killing things down and lets build more coal fired plants, save the birds! "

Pirate Lavenderbeard wrote on Jan 4, 2008 7:56 AM:

" I use a small wind turbine mounted at the top of my boat's mast to recharge the batteries. This puts it 30 feet above the surface of the water. Every year I find several chopped up seagulls on my decks. Sure it's tragic, but in these parts where thousands of deer turkeys and other animals are hit by cars and large trucks, damaging the vehicles and killing the animals, we have a saying...."Nature has a way of destroying the stupid and unfit to live." So, the same goes for wind turbines. The smart ones steer clear of those. The stupid ones plow right through the blades enevitably removing themselves from the gene pool leaving only the more intelligent of the spicies to reproduce, thus the species is better off with superion genetics. My advice to you is quit feeling sorry for the stupid ones. stupidity should be painful or fatal in some cases. "

Dan6807 wrote on Jan 4, 2008 11:10 AM:

" All that's needed to prevent the killings is a net in front of and over the towers. Yes it is an added expense but completely effective and cheaper than replacing the towers. "

GeezWhiz wrote on Jan 4, 2008 2:28 PM:

" Just relocate the birds! "

TR wrote on Jan 4, 2008 3:16 PM:

" While in Washington State some time back a I saw a political message painted on the side of a barn. The issue was whether or not to remove a hydroelectric dam from a river. The message read: "eat your salmon in the dark." So kind readers, which is it; your precious electrified home or the poor little birds? Many of you will spout without first thinking, it is to be expected. But we are consumers, the human animal that is. We consume in may ways that few would ever stop and think of. These birds are one such unintended consumption. Agreed, it is not an all or nothing world, but there will be losses based on our existence on this planet. Which ones are we willing to shoulder in the name of our comfort?
"

TR wrote on Jan 4, 2008 3:20 PM:

" Dan6807, Have you ever seen a 3 megawatt tower up close? I would also ask you if you understand how much efficiency a rotating blade looses when covered by a mess guard (which must surround the entire rotating assembly for full coverage)? Its up around 30%. "

Mike wrote on Jan 4, 2008 4:44 PM:

" People, to get something we have to give something. We all want electricity in our homes, places of business, schools and so on, right? However, no one wants nuke power plants, hydrocarbons being released, or any more rivers damned up. So, which is it? Power or nature? "

GrayFox wrote on Jan 4, 2008 7:51 PM:

" Seems some folks won't be happy until we're right back in the stone age, hunting and gathering and living to ripe old age of 35! No nukes! Ok. No more coal! Ok. No more oil or gas drilling! 'kay... Here we have a clean, renewable source of energy and someone's got to cry about that too. Waaaa...shut up. "

RMP wrote on Jan 4, 2008 8:22 PM:

" Yeah, what do you want? kalifornia won;t take anything yet they want everything! "

Chuck wrote on Jan 5, 2008 2:06 AM:

" You are never going to make anybody happy, global warming is a farse, Al Gore and Yassar Arafatt are proof the Nobel Peace Prize is worthless, the war in Iraq is going great,, and Pres Bush is one of the best Presidents we will ever have. "

Marion wrote on Jan 5, 2008 7:38 AM:

" Ahhh, those Californians! They are willing to make any sacrifice for whatever species........until the air conditioning goes off in July, then it will be "Bush's fault", most assuredly not their own with their idiot ideas.
Everything has a cost somewhere and trying to make someone else pay it instead just doesn't work.
By the way notice that one word "estimated", that means they have no clue and throw out numbers instead fo a wrench to shut things down, or at least give them an excuse to file a lawsuit..
It seems like it would be pretty easy to hire someone to patrol a site every day for a year and find out how many birds are killed. "

Vicky wrote on Jan 5, 2008 10:39 AM:

" Let's take the Al Gore approach. Each time I eat a piece of beef instead of chicken I receive one credit to kill a bird. "

Doug wrote on Jan 5, 2008 12:29 PM:

" I have never heard so much hog wash and whiningi in my life. I have worked in the construction and operation of these wind towers for the last 25 years. I have yet to see a dead raptor, or matter of fact any other type of bird around these towers.

This sounds to me like another spotted owl controversy, which by the way ended up the owl's were falling victim to another owl species. By the way this was not published or hyped as the man's cutting of the old growth forest's was. WHY NOT. "

Rainbow wrote on Jan 5, 2008 5:40 PM:

" Hey Don, it's an illegal war FOR oil. Or are you a Republican Yes Man voter? You gotta be from Wyoming to know what the issues we care about are. Land quality and wildlife are way up at the top. With over 300 days per year of sunshine, why isn't Wyoming going after more solar? That's the future. "

DelKent wrote on Jan 6, 2008 5:37 AM:

" Solar? It'd be good, too. BUT...then someone will start complaining that the reflection from the panels is causing harm to the migration of birds, turtles and ladybugs. I can read that one already. And BTW, these wind generators would be great off the coast of Nantucket where they could generate hoops of power. But some windbag Senator from MA said no. Any takers on who that was and what party? "

What the ? wrote on Jan 6, 2008 9:16 PM:

" Hey, Editor, why do you allow comments such as those made by "annonymous" and "El Commandante" to be posted? What happened to your written policy stating "civility is a necessary component of productive conversation"? Since when is suggesting ways to kill our President and our State Legislature considered to be civil discourse? And what do the hateful suggestions of assassinating politicians have to do with the subject of the article? You have allowed this forum to be hijacked by hateful, mentally unstable liberals. 99% of these posters are obviously NOT from Wyoming. "

blommer wrote on Jan 7, 2008 9:02 AM:

" it clear as daylight that most of these bunny huggers have never lived for more than afew days with out power. "

Rena wrote on Jan 7, 2008 9:27 AM:

" Rainbow, The Iraqi people are free, the world is getting oil from them at pre-war production rates, the terrorists in Iraq are largely a thing of the past now, and we can re-focus on Afghanistan to complete the tricky "clean-up" required there. What is so terrible about all of that and how is that illegal? Would you rather see Sadam back and the Iraqi's slaves of his, and a highly unstable middle east with a greater WMD threat potential? You're trying to stir long cold, disproven coals back to life. Give it up. "

Drue D wrote on Jan 7, 2008 9:53 AM:

" I still pick people over animals, every time. "

Kerry wrote on Jan 7, 2008 1:02 PM:

" blommer, You are right on target. I liken this to celebrities and politicians all telling us how we must live while they are driven everywhere they want to go in limousines, jetted around the world in private or chartered aircraft and consume whatever they desire, whenever they desire in whatever quantities they fell fit to. I can remember when Barbara Streisand's web page told readers to dry their laundry on the line to save the earth and yet when her palatial estate in Southern California was examined no such clothes line was erected for her personal use! Arrogant, self-important and manipulative hypocrites they all are it seems. How sad that so many American's listen to and support these louses.
"

Freddy wrote on Jan 7, 2008 4:11 PM:

" Rainbow, Good for you. Take a stand aginst this illegal war. Now back that stand with action; stop using oil products in every form. This will include all products transported by oil, produced using oil (all manufacturing) and created from oil (almost all synthetic items). Show us all what you are made of! Enough talk! To action! Or, just be quiet. "

Henry wrote on Jan 7, 2008 4:38 PM:

" W 4-Ever! History will treat President Bush very well as he has had to handle some monumental challenges over his terms in office, and has done so in inspiring fashion despite his constantly being under assault by the socialists and anarchists in this country and their supporting 24-7wild-eye, frothing at the mouth liberal press. "

starfire6665 wrote on Jan 8, 2008 3:09 AM:

" good comment freddy except you used a computer that uses electricity so perhaps you should lead by example. lol i see that hapening real soon. "

Doug wrote on Jan 8, 2008 6:09 AM:

" In response to Henry (1/7/07), as an independent citizen I am getting sick an tired of all the Bull being espoused by both the conservative and liberal sides of our American politic.

Wake up and smell the coffee, George W. has done nothing but rape our national economy. If it sounds like a duck and walks like a duck, you can pretty well bet it is a duck.

Let me ask you this, when we went into George W's term in office we had a national surplus, now we have a monumental deficet. The excuse espoused by the conservative community is the economy was already in decline when he took office, with almost 8 years in office you would think he had ample time to get things straightened out.

To both the established conservative and liberal communities, THE PARTY IS OVER.

"

Rainbow wrote on Jan 8, 2008 6:18 AM:

" Hey Rena and Freddy, did I just flush out two more Republican Yes Men voters? I think I did. Since you both so in favor of the War For Oil, can we assume you're both writing from Iraq or Afganistan where you're helping to keep the world save from terrorism? Or are you little chickenhawks who like to drive big 4x4s and buy your food through a drive-up window? "

Ada wrote on Jan 8, 2008 8:15 AM:

" windfan, I am not sure where you've seen wind power generation stations with a "cover" over them. I've seen wind generation towers around the world, to include in the US across the country, and I've never seen one with a "guard" or a screen over it before. Based on the size of these units and the loss of efficiency placing a guard over them would create, I see that idea as highly impractical. "

Geezwhiz wrote on Jan 8, 2008 8:19 AM:

" Right on Freddy! Rainbow and her type need to put up or shut up! "

Edna wrote on Jan 8, 2008 1:13 PM:

" Rainbow, the only YES person here is you. Your are spouting the DNC talking points sent in by Sean Penn, Al Gore and the rest of the self-proclaimed brillaint celebrity membership of American Communist part! So, what is you next move? Let me guess, you'll call me a racist I'd bet! LOL! Now cut off the breaker to your houses electrical system, take off that polartech shirt and enjoy the planet friendly coldness of blindly following another DNC talking point. "

Vera Kay wrote on Jan 8, 2008 5:28 PM:

" Every group, for or against something, has their niche requirements/demands. With respect to the wind generators as an example, do we have to poll all groups making noise and find out what their acceptable level of loss is for wildlife mortality before we can design and erect these clean and endless sources of electricity? How far down that road with all other "subjects" are we as a society willing to travel? This is exactly how our government works today to some degree, and why we can't accomplish anything efficiently with our tax dollars. Must we give every tin-hat wearing nut an equal voice with the majority or scientific findings?
"

bloomer wrote on Jan 9, 2008 7:59 AM:

" the wooly mammoth disappeared long ago, the world moved on,did the loss keep man from moving on? no. Had the wooly survived we would probably still be chucking spears at them. mankind by design will move on. when we quit thinking and doing, the world as we know it will cease. "

Tom wrote on Jan 9, 2008 11:26 AM:

" bloomer, I'm not any greenie, just one of those evil ranchers that some many seem to distrust these days. I do however think that most of us pretty well understand the links between habitat, wildlife and mankind. The loss of any given species will have a domino affect on other species that eventually leads to we humans. However, it is also a fact that as humans continue to propagate and expand their footprint on the planet habitat will be lost and so will wildlife. We cannot be cavalier in our stewardship of what open space and wildlife that the planet now has left. Just take a look down any major US highway, 25 looking south in example, and you will see that our impact is escalating and rapidly in America, let alone the rest of this tiny third rock from the sun.
"

anonomus wrote on Jan 9, 2008 6:18 PM:

" I think they should just make the turbines taller so the birdies dont fly into the heads of the turbines. "

bloomer wrote on Jan 9, 2008 6:27 PM:

" hey tom, i own a ranch too, how about a couple of wolf packs on your land? "

Rainbow wrote on Jan 10, 2008 5:47 AM:

" Hey Edna, are you in Afganistan, Iraq or the drive up window at McDonald's? ... or maybe the Sandbar? When the next President -a Democrat- is sworn in a little more than a year from now, the war for oil and this boom that's so good for Wyoming will come to an end. Then things will get back to where they should be. But don't fret none, there will still be drive up windows at fast food joints in the next state you guys flock to chasing the dollar. And gas won't be $3.00 a gallon. Have a safe trip, and remember to always buckle up. "

Edna wrote on Jan 10, 2008 12:55 PM:

" The President, or party in office has nothing to do with the current price of gas, rice or pantyhose (unless they tax it to death on their watch). Oh, teaching democrats economics is always a lost cause (no, the government makes no money, they only obtain it from us in the form of taxes. Yes, I know that they print it…in has no intrinsic value...). I also do not think that anyone with any sense would be foolish enough to think that a President can change the laws of physics. We have a mountain of personnel, supplies and equipment in Iraq currently embedded in and used on myriad bases and out posts flung across a country with only rudimentary lines of communications. It will take quite a bit of time to plan and execute the retrograde from Iraq to ports in either Kuwait, Jordan or Saudi Arabia for the redeployment of our forces to the US. Now, to the question of leaving in the first place while we are ahead and making progress; duh. I guess you'd rather leave this business unfinished and have your grand kids go back again in 5, 10 or 20 years for a bigger and longer fight? I'd not bet the farm as to which party will win the oval office just yet. Seems to me that those who make such remarks frequently regret them later. As to my location, its right here in Wyoming. My youngest however will be returning from Fallujah soon and my eldest will be deploying to Anbar Province shortly for a third tour. Both are Marines doing what they and I know to be the right thing for America, Iraq and the world. Have you cut-off the power to your house yet? I'll be its darned cold being a greenie in Wyoming in the winter. Try some calisthenics to keep warm! LOL! Maybe you should read some, try National Review, and educate yourself vice listening to CCN (on your crystal radio set) while doing so. You'll be slimmer and probably become a republican with some actual education! LOL! Ta Ta smart girl, Ta Ta.
"

Geezwhiz wrote on Jan 10, 2008 1:05 PM:

" How much per gallon will we be paying Rainbow? "

windfan2 wrote on Jan 10, 2008 3:39 PM:

" Gards don't always work, a cat got under the hood of my car once. "

TK wrote on Jan 11, 2008 7:50 AM:

" Put some dang chicken wire around the blades! "

TK wrote on Jan 11, 2008 7:53 AM:

" Chuck should read the remarks about removing the weaker parts of the gene pool. Let's give Chuck some wings! "

GeezWhiz wrote on Jan 13, 2008 7:37 AM:

" I disagree TK, to improve the gene pool we need to remove rainbow! "

Rainbow wrote on Jan 14, 2008 6:21 AM:

" Good job Edna of proving that you're a Republican Yes Man voter. You spouted off all of the Republican Talking Points like an expert. Sure you have children serving in the armed forces. Wink wink. Keep up the charade for as long as you need to if it helps your self esteem. But be ready for the changes that are coming. Like the rest of us, you'll be better off when the Democrats take controll of the White House AND Congress. "

GeezWhiz wrote on Jan 15, 2008 2:38 PM:

" Good Job Edna! And I still think we need to remove Rainbow from the gene pool! "

Rainbow wrote on Jan 16, 2008 5:20 AM:

" Hey Edna, looks like there is at least one other person out there that believes you're legitimate. Maybe it's one of your kids fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here. Or it's another broke down, loud mouth, chickenhawk living from paycheck to paycheck and buying his food through a drive-up window. "

GeezWhiz wrote on Jan 16, 2008 4:36 PM:

" Rainbow....I heard that there are vetenarians around that will spay or neuter for free! "

Chris wrote on Jan 17, 2008 8:22 PM:

" How about building a nuclear power plant? That wont kill your birds. Hey Rainbow, if there are no drive up windows, where will you work? "

dean wrote on Jan 20, 2008 11:48 PM:

" Rainbow Last i heard the Demos are the MajorityParty in Congress. And i would bet there are just as many if not more 4 x 4's as cars in Wyoming.Both your statments make me wonder if your even from this country, let alone from Wyoming. "

Dean wrote on Jan 21, 2008 8:17 AM:

" Rainbow- last i knewthe Demos were the majority in Congress. The 37yrs i've lived in Wyoming 4x4's have also been in the majority. Your comments could make one wonder if you even live in Wyoming. "

Rainbow wrote on Jan 22, 2008 6:01 AM:

" I'm flushing them out! GeezWhiz, Chris and Dean are three more little chickenhawks who would be in Iraq if there were a draft, but are instead here in Wyoming chasing a buck in the patch. I'll bet they all like the drive up window features at most of Wyoming's liquor stores too! When the boom is over I hope you boys don't regret not joining the military because of all the benefits it provides those who put their money where their mouth is when it came time to stand up for the President's lies to this country and the world. Not gonna be too many patch jobs left over in Wyoming 2 years from now. What will you do then? But the fast food joints will still be around, so maybe there's a silver lining after all. "

GeezWhiz wrote on Jan 22, 2008 12:25 PM:

" Rainbow, I'd be happy to save you a trip to the vet! "

dean wrote on Jan 23, 2008 1:34 AM:

" I'v been a coal miner 32yrs. Wondering, is it a fetish or a phobia you have about drive up windows. Reads like you've been getting deliveries from the liquor store. "

Julie wrote on Jan 24, 2008 10:51 AM:

" To Pirate Lavenderbeard-hope you are staying away from all type of fan blades. Sounds as if you could be next, with nature taking care of the stupid ones and all. "

Doc wrote on Jan 25, 2008 9:09 PM:

" Hey if the death toll is so high around these wind machines, why don't we use them for border patrol???
I do have to say that I'm in TX right now and there are gundreds of generators all around me. Literally thousands of geese fly through here three to four times a day and know one has seen one dead from a wind generator....Get over it eco freaks!!! "

DM wrote on Jan 27, 2008 4:37 AM:

" Maybe we should be as concerned about the prarie dogs, poor little things getting run over by autos.....We should BAN automobiles while we're at it. Never heard oh a horse stepping on one. And while we're on the subject what about the millions of birds that get electricuted by power lines, or the earth worms habitat distructed by under ground wiring?? I agree with Doc, get over it eco freaks. Times are changin so go soak your heads in self pity for a GOOD cause for once! "

DM wrote on Jan 27, 2008 7:33 PM:

" Do any of you realize that the power generated by one of these in the span of it's operational life, is less than the amount of energy it takes to build and set one up? Energy to construct, move, erect, maintain, run power lines etc adds up to less per machine than they make. Somewhere around $60,000 less. So are we really getting power from the wind? Absolutely not! "

Julie and Geezwhiz wrote on Jan 28, 2008 8:07 PM:

" Julie maybe we should save the birds and rid the earth of people like you??
Geezwhiz, like relocating the birds, don't birds fly? Oh yes we can train them to stay where pe put them...that ought to cost the taxpayers millions, bird trainer for hire, government job, make up your own qualifications like the politicians do!!! "

Rainbow wrote on Jan 29, 2008 6:17 AM:

" Musta got that job in the mines right out of high school dean. Good for you. But maybe you should stick to a subject you have more familiarity with, like whether or not Las Margaritas has a better burrito than Casa Del Rey. "

Rainbow wrote on Jan 30, 2008 6:21 AM:

" Hey DM, did you forget the "i" in the middle of your name? That has to be the lamest lie told on this page - it takes more energy to erect a wind turbine than the turbine will ever produce. Good lord, it's uninformed fabricators like you that prevent real energy independence from taking place. Not that anyone with more than the 5th grade education you have would believe that fable. But you never know, Wyoming does have an influx of geniuses right now working in the energy industry. "

GeezWhiz wrote on Jan 30, 2008 9:13 AM:

" To Julie and Geezwhiz blog: Man where have you been? To respond to such an old blog of mine, is quite strange! My comment was sarcasm directed to the idiots whinning about progess! Of course it's stupid to think we could relocate birds! "

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