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LANDER -- The newly drafted regulations for managing wolves in Wyoming, once they've been removed from the federal Endangered Species list - are fine, as far as regulations go, but where's the money going to come from to pay for the costly program?

That was a sentiment echoed by several of the attendees at a Wyoming Game and Fish Department meeting here Tuesday evening, where Scot Talbott, assistant division chief of wildlife, presented two new proposed rules for statewide wolf management.

Game and Fish drafted the new rules to fulfill statutes established in House Bill 213, in the 2007 state legislative session, which require the department to designate gray wolves in the northwest part of the state as trophy game animals, and to use "aggressive" methods for managing the population.

The bill also requires the department to establish a program for compensating landowners and livestock owners for damage caused by wolves, including predation.

Once wolves are delisted, wolves living outside of the designated northwest region will be considered predators, and managed the same way coyotes and mountain lions are. People encountering wolves outside of the trophy game management area would be able to kill wolves without restrictions, as long as they report the gender, time and location of the kill to Game and Fish.

About 70 ranchers, hunters, outdoors enthusiasts and concerned citizens, many clad in cowboy hats and boots, gathered Tuesday evening to learn about the new draft regulations. The informational meeting was one of a series taking place throughout the state this week, with four more planned for Wednesday and Thursday in Jackson, Sheridan, Casper and Cody.

Designating gray wolves as trophy game animals in the northwest part of the state would loosen restrictions on killing wolves outside of Yellowstone National Park and allow for "shoot on sight" permits to be provided to landowners, if the wolves have repeatedly "harassed, injured, maimed or killed livestock or domesticated animals."

The rule would also authorize hunting of the canines, including aerial hunting, by Game and Fish employees in areas of "chronic wolf predation" and where the department determines "a wild ungulate herd may be experiencing unacceptable impacts or when wolf-wild ungulate conflict occur at any state-operated feedground."

Wyoming native and Lander resident Mike Ockinga, said if he had his way there wouldn't be a single wolf living in the state. But if it's important to people outside Wyoming that the state have wolves, then they should be willing to pay for managing them.

"Wolves are in Wyoming because outside people, U.S. Senators from back East, wanted them in Wyoming -- not Wyoming people," Ockinga said. "Why should we be responsible for footing the whole bill?"

Although no one knows yet how much the wolf management program will cost once implemented, it could be a "very expensive program," most likely costing millions of dollars per year, Talbott said.

Those costs would include installing and maintaining radio collars for tracking the predators, many of which have a price tag of about $4,000 each, and helicopter rides for aerial spotting and hunting that cost about $700 per hour.

After the meeting was over, rancher John Griffin echoed Ockinga's point.

"I think they've got a lot of ideas that they don't have a clue where the money's going to come from," said Griffin, who believes the federal government should pay for the program because "they're the ones that put the wolves here in the first place." He doesn't expect, however, there will be much aid for the program coming in from the federal government.

"The people impacted the most are always the ones that end up paying for it," Griffin said.

Lander resident Nick Scribner said he came out to the meeting just to get up to speed on the new regulations. A self-described avid hunter, who mostly hunts big game for meat, Scribner said he's happy wolves are going to be delisted and he believes Wyoming will do a better job of managing the animal.

"I think it's good that the state's going to have some control," Scribner said.

Thomas Bryan of Cheyenne was in the area for a job interview, and stopped into the meeting as an interested citizen. He said in-state wolf management seems like the reasonable approach to reaching a compromise between hunters, ranchers, conservationists and environmentalists.

While most people seem to fall on one side of the issue or the other, he said -- Bryan said he can see merits to arguments from both sides.

"I'm an avid backpacker, me and my dogs," he said. "I'm not a hunter or a rancher, but I can see where they're coming from. But I can also see the other side. You've got to keep an open mind."


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Marion wrote on Jan 23, 2008 5:21 AM:

" Surely no one really thinks any of the money for "taking care" of the wolves is going to come from the freeloaders that insisted they had to have them.
I suspect even the guy wiht the open mind may not be as open minded when and if his dogs are the ones attacked. "

BULL wrote on Jan 23, 2008 8:21 AM:

" The money to manage these predators should be paid by the same idiots who wanted the wolves reintroduced. Perhaps a lot of Landiego transplants will be first in line ? "

joe wrote on Jan 23, 2008 8:35 AM:

" No problem, they'll just raise license fees again "

Derek wrote on Jan 23, 2008 11:18 AM:

" Taking the long-view of history, remember that wolves belong here, and were here long before the short-sighted, selfish morons who extirminated them last century even arrived. Ironically, if these livestock producers had been a little more toleratant and respectful toward native wildlife in the first place, there would never have been a need for ESA listing and reintroduction of wolves. Wyomingites have no one to blame but their own forebears. "

RLA wrote on Jan 23, 2008 7:37 PM:

" Let the feds keep them. We, hunters and fishermen, should not have to pay for the federal governments screw-up! "

Patriot wrote on Jan 23, 2008 8:56 PM:

" Marion, Life must pure bliss walking in your all-knowing shoes. Ever spend a day in the woods? "

BULL wrote on Jan 24, 2008 9:33 AM:

" Short sided, selfish morons, Derek ? Looked in the mirror lately ? Do you eat Tofu & spinach only ? Perhaps if you like anything besides what cows & elk graze on to eat, you should thank some of the short sided , selfish morons for raising what you and your fellow idiots like to eat, unless of course you all like to eat leafy spurge only. "

~Anonymous wrote on Jan 24, 2008 8:47 PM:

" I must applaud Derek for his well-versed comment. Simple and straight to the point.

For the record, BULL, you don't have to be a vegetarian to be understanding of wildlife and the actions of ignorant Human Beings. It IS the Humans' fault that our wildlife is in this predicament, including other endangered species, (whether it be animal or plant).
They were here first. Our role as Humans is to adapt and coexist successfully, ensuring our ecosystems' survival. The environment revolves around balance. By disrupting the balance of native species, we will only have more problems in the future. "

Tguide wrote on Jan 25, 2008 9:17 AM:

" Hey BULL: Just think how great it would be if Derek and his kind did subsist on leafy spurge! My goodness have we found a new genus and specie that feeds on leafy spurge...."Derica moronis"! "

Hannibal wrote on Jan 25, 2008 9:33 AM:

" I have the solution! In LA and NYC pictures of wolves should be printed on milk cartons. The caption should read "adopt a wolf carcass for only 50 cents a month." If each urbanite that so loves these predators from afar were to pitch in their 50 cents, G&F would be rolling in money in no time. May be Martha Stewart could write a wolf cook book and the proceeds could go to ranchers? I've got to run and check the crock pot, wolf (I can find an elk to harvest) and dumplings for lunch today! Mmmm-good!
"

Marketing Genius wrote on Jan 25, 2008 12:16 PM:

" Wolf buger sales in the parking lot at lunch time. That is how we'll pay for the Easterner's wolves! May be the wonderful people in San Fran will chip in some tofu burger sales too? I'll put on my "I heart wolves" lapel pin for the event too! That symbolic gesture will surely raise the harmonic convergence awarness too! Peace, love and joy fellow children of the moon! "

Allen wrote on Jan 25, 2008 12:21 PM:

" Instead of subsidizing people that don't work with welfare and the earned (unearned) income credit, and providing public funds (our taxes) to various anti-America groups like PBS and the ACLU, why don't we pay ranchers not to raise cattle so that the wolves can't eat them? We could also use some of the otherwise wasted tax money to buy MRAP's for the elk and moose to ride around in and protect them from the wolves. We can feed the wolves the left over corn from the ethanol plants and wean them off of meat which is bad for the wolves cholesterol anyway.
"

earthling wrote on Jan 25, 2008 6:56 PM:

" People who live here and know the mountains - meadows and creek bottoms - know that the ranchers are trying to counter the increase in AUMs with claims of wolf depridations. Hunters and rancher lovers who don't know diddly or really have any real access to anything beyond the pavement like to throw out scare stories. Ask them where all the elk are. Ask them where all the moose are. Ask them where all the mule deer are. Just don't tell them that you had to honk at the herd of each to get to the main road, today. "

zach wrote on Jan 25, 2008 7:03 PM:

" Shakes head "

We wrote on Jan 25, 2008 11:00 PM:

" I seriously doubt you live here in Wyoming earthling All one has to do is look at the time of the day that you post! Either that or you work for a federal agency that would really balk at you using a computer at work! You've already let everyone know that your not an expert, but, you continue to try and dazzle us with your comments! "

N8 wrote on Jan 27, 2008 6:38 AM:

" It's real simple just bill the Sierra Club, Biodiveristy Associates, the Wilderness Society, and the other goons that forced these vermin back on our state so they could come from both coasts to watch the little wolf eat our wildlife, pets, and state budget. "

Joan wrote on Jan 27, 2008 5:00 PM:

" Well, you know, the park's name is Yellowstone NATIONAL Park so unless WY is not a part of the US, those "easterners" should have a say in the wildlife & biological management of the park. If people would get their emotions out of the wolf management plans, there should be a way to placate both hunters & ranchers without exterminating every wolf in the state. Wolves belong in the ecosystem here. "

earthling wrote on Jan 29, 2008 5:36 AM:

" My, my, what remarkable powers of observation you have WE. They must serve you well in your job making sure there are only 2 ketchup packs for every Happy Meal in the Drive Up Window. Too bad you couldn't counter anything I said. I doubt you even know what an AUM is. Hey, Don't forget the toy on that next order! "

Marion wrote on Jan 30, 2008 6:20 AM:

" I would like too remind those who blame who demise of the wolf on ranchers in Wyoming, that wolves were eradicated from the east coast westward as people moved west. That is an inconvenient fact that is left out of their spouting.
It is true that Yellowstone can be managed by the majority, but if you should happen to like elk as anything but a wolf chewing on it, you're better hurry, the numbers are dropping like a rock. This is shaping up to be a very bad winter, and they will have no way to rebound because the killing will go on as long as there are elk to feed the wolves, then both will disappear.....and once more it will be the rancher's fault, mismanagement will never be considered. It never is by a bureaucrat messing up, they take no responsibility. "

We wrote on Jan 30, 2008 9:02 AM:

" Earthling when you move here let me know then maybe we can carry on an intelligent discussion! I doubt you know what an AUM is! Your blog of 1/25, "counter the increase of AUM's" , didn't you mean "counter the decrease of AUM's"! Just wondering Ooooo...knowledgeble one! "

We wrote on Jan 30, 2008 9:06 AM:

" Looking forward to your next post at 5:36AM earthling! Gosh, it must really make you upset to have to get up so early; do you take those 5 hour energy drinks that has you hiped up all night! Or you just excited to rush off to your government job so you can check you FERS account and dream about your retiement! "

Sadie wrote on Jan 30, 2008 2:49 PM:

" The real issue is that the human population around this planet is expanding ever more rapidly. All need room, all consume resources and all create pollution. Our American libra-nazi-democrats tell us in America to stop breeding. OK, so then only the Muslims, Mexican and Chinese will keep spawning, thus guarantying that they will truly inherit the earth and not our children's, children; thus will die democracy. This argument's center has nothing to do with wolves or open space in Wyoming. All you folks are doing is nibbling around the edges of the real problem. "

Julia wrote on Jan 30, 2008 2:53 PM:

" Tyrannosaurus Rex also once walked here in Wyoming, and in the name of biodiversity, we must also bring he and his various buddies back too. I'll bet that the primitives that lived back then were all wringing their hands and wetting their loin clothes over the loss of many of those wonderful species too. Its just too rich to believe!
"

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