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Strippers say bad rap unfair, opponents worry about community impact

"Shawni," 31, applies eyeliner before performing at Northern Dreams on Oct. 20. She has been working at the club off and on since 2003. Photo by Tim Kupsick, Star-Tribune

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She's been in the business for 16 years, first as a stripper and now serving drinks behind the bar at Northern Dreams.

It hasn't always been easy, but the money is good, and despite what others say, she doesn't find the work degrading.

For the people who criticize what she does, Kelly Dormoy has a simple message: Don't judge the business until you see it for yourself.

"It's entertainment," says Dormoy, a 37-year-old Casper resident. "You come, you have a good time, you have a few drinks and you leave. That's basically what it is."

Controversy over strip clubs in the Casper area arose this summer when Sonny Pilcher, a prominent bar owner, revealed plans to open a "Gentleman's Club" west of the city. He ultimately received a permit for the business over the objections of opponents who argued strip clubs degrade women, cause crime and ruin relationships.

But the women who work at Northern Dreams, currently Natrona County's lone topless bar, said the critics have it wrong.

"I'm proud of who I am. Period," says "Burgundy," a 36-year-old mother who prefers to go by her stage name. "I am proud of my tattoos. I am proud of being a mother. And I am proud of being a dancer."

Burgundy has been dancing at Northern Dreams -- a modest bar north of Casper along Interstate 25 -- for more than seven years. She started as a fluke when the previous owner hired her on the spot while Burgundy stood at the bar in her pajamas.

"I plan to be in this industry until I'm 80," she jokes.

Her 13-year-old son has been aware of her job since he was 5. He's proud of her, she says, and appreciates the things she can buy him from her work as a dancer.

"He flat out tells me, 'You are a good-looking woman,' " she said. " 'You are my mom and a I love you, and you do what you have got to do.' "

Others in the community don't see strip clubs as benign businesses. One of them is Maria Antonovich, a stay-at-home mom from Casper. Antonovich was one of the roughly 70 people who attended a Natrona County Commission meeting in opposition to Pilcher's new club.

In her opinion, strip clubs degrade women's dignity and harm community morals.

"People have the right to choose," she says. "I respect that. But we as a group choose not to have an establishment like that in our community."

Antonovich worries that a man who visits a strip club will come to view women as objects with one purpose: sexual gratification. Over time, that carries long-term ramifications, she says.

"If a man gets into the habit of viewing a woman as merely an object, then what happens to him?" she asks. "He stunts his growth in regards to being in a proper relationship with women."

The impact of a new strip club won't be felt immediately, Antonovich says. Instead, she anticipates a slow, persistent decline in moral integrity.

"It is a subtle, quiet darkness that just seeps into a household," she says.

Antonovich doesn't want people to view the opponents as radicals, and she insists opponents are not out to make personal attacks against Pilcher.

"We are people who have very healthy marriages, healthy inmate relationships with our spouses," she says. "We don't view the body as bad. It is about looking at the other person and seeing it in the right ways, as made in the likeness and image of God."

Despite community concern, commissioners approved Pilcher's permit by a 4-1 vote after the county attorney advised they had little basis on which to deny it.

Commissioner Matt Keating cast the lone vote in opposition.

"I'm more than happy to stand with these hundreds of parents that are willing to stand up and draw a line in the sand and say, 'Not in Natrona County,' " he says. "Why? Because we call Natrona County home."

"Lola," a 24-year-old blonde who's been paying her way through college by stripping, winces at the notion her job spawns negative feelings toward women.

"I'd say this had done wonders for my self-esteem to begin with," she says, sitting inside the bar about an hour before customers start to arrive. "You stop viewing yourself as a comparison to what you see in the magazines. I actually hold myself to be a feminist.

"You stop comparing yourself to those airbrushed models in Playboy and you start to view all women as beautiful, as opposed to viewing a typical Hollywood body type as being the only thing that can be beautiful," she explains.

Lola acknowledges there are negative stereotypes about strippers as prostitutes and drug addicts. But she calls those gross misconceptions.

"Most of the girls I have met in this industry are clean, straight girls, well educated, nice people," she said.

That isn't to say dancing topless in front of an audience is an easy job. Dormoy has heard customers make jokes about a dancer's body or watched as men walk away when a heavier stripper takes the stage.

"You have to have a very strong sense of yourself and not be insecure, because there are guys who can tear you up and not even say a word," she said.

As for Burgundy, she doesn't have any plans to end her career as dancer. She laughs as she explains that, because she's been doing it so long, the work feels normal to her.

"I am in a relationship and very happy," she says. "I do this to support my child. I am not strictly in it for the money ... but the money helps. Everybody needs to get paid."

Reach crime reporter Joshua Wolfson at (307) 266-0582 or at josh.wolfson@trib.com.


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amazon wrote on Oct 26, 2008 12:02 AM:

" great story josh, you found the real women of striping... they are mothers, daughters, and sisters. that they are not all about drugs and prositution. im glad the county voted 4-1 at least 3 see that this is for what it is a business like any other. it would have been stupid to have northern dreams and not sonnys... it the same kind od business and just because hes not way outside of town has nothing to do with it. when do we women get one for us ?? i would watch men strip...
amazon "

One who knows wrote on Oct 26, 2008 7:33 AM:

" Funny how all the hypocritical religious nutcases in Casper allow this kind of stuff to go on. "

Lisa B wrote on Oct 26, 2008 9:34 AM:

" Is that inmate relationships or intimate relationships? Because the word just changes the whole quote. "

Idea man wrote on Oct 26, 2008 11:56 AM:

" I see no problem with strippers myself. If we as a community believe that it will add to the drug problem, I have an idea!
Require strippers to get drug tested once a month. Also anybody holding a liquior permit would have to be tested once a month. If one flunks, no permit to dance or hold a permit. "

Confused wrote on Oct 26, 2008 12:07 PM:

" I am confused about Maria Antonovich's, a stay-at-home mom from Casper, statement about "healthy inmate relationships" have to do with strippers?

How does prison experiences relate to this article?

"We are people who have very healthy marriages, healthy inmate relationships with our spouses," she says. "We don't view the body as bad. It is about looking at the other person and seeing it in the right ways, as made in the likeness and image of God." "

Respect wrote on Oct 26, 2008 12:16 PM:

" Its amazing that they are so proud of what they do and who they are, that they hide behind an Alias. Therefore, they don't want anyone knowing who they are, or they are ashamed. They don't even realize that they are being cliche. "

Disgusted wrote on Oct 26, 2008 5:01 PM:

" I think "inmate relationships" with their spouses is much more disgusting and degrading than what the strippers are doing.

Shame on you Maria Antonovich and others for practicing much more disgusting acts!

I further believe that Inmate Relationships should be outlawed! "

Frank S wrote on Oct 26, 2008 9:01 PM:

" Look one of three reasons or a combination of all why you are an "entertainer".
1. Issues with a father or step father
2.You have to fuel that meth habit
3. You are putting yourself through college. "

Jen wrote on Oct 27, 2008 1:20 AM:

" You guys are so funny! I hope "inmate" is a typo not caught by the newspaper. Otherwise, eeewww! As for Frank, you make putting yourself through college sound seedy. You needed to add another reason - Deadbeat dad not paying child support. To everyone else arguing the "which came first" argument, I don't think the clubs make men become cruds. They do that on their own just fine!

I think it is easy for Maria to comment on this because she since she is stay-at-home mom, she is obviously not a single mother unless she is on welfare. Would you prefer they leach off the system? It is not my chosen profession, but it pays better than minimum wage. It probably pays better than being a nurse in Casper...hey, wait a minute. ; )

Anyway, I am truly not an advocate for strip clubs. I have been to a couple of male strip clubs and it did nothing for me. I would prefer to hang out with my kids in Chuck E. Cheese's! Let's rally behind that idea! "

are you serious wrote on Oct 27, 2008 8:26 AM:

" ok strippers being clean, educated, straight, nice people.!!!!! are you serious. has anyone actually met some of these girls. if u drug tested most of them they would fail. they air their dirty laundry in the bar, and as for relationships, most of them sit their and deny they are in one. wow thats respectful. you ashamed to be cared for, would rather some random stranger paying you dollar bills worth more to you. "

Wrong wrote on Oct 27, 2008 8:30 AM:

" Frank, you're a jerk and obviously you didn't read the article at all, so good for you! The reason this was written was to help show different points of view, but people like frank totally ignore it and just continue on with their own thought process because they can't admit they're wrong. And serioulsy, it was a typo, I think that Maria is a radical that should stay at home, but i don't think she said "inmate relationship" either. No matter what, this world is going to change and as the generation in Natrona County gets younger these religious radicals will have to sit by and watch as new morals come along. If you need to tell yourself that Jesus loved everyone to accept this then do it because it will happen with or without your approval "

profit wrote on Oct 27, 2008 8:35 AM:

" i agree with respect; that i found it odd that the women who are so proud of their vocation choose to use alias' rather than their real names. most women who wind up working in such establishments have severe abuse issues in their past and are used to being objectified. and while ms. antonovich's objections to such businesses is noble, her energies would be better spent to raise better men. which brings me to my next point-the glaring absence of men in this article. i'd love to see an expose about the proud men who frequent these establishments. "

Bill wrote on Oct 27, 2008 9:40 AM:

" I find it disengenous that ordinary people, who's lives are not affected by clubs like this come out of the wood work with far fetched "excuses" that they claim make nude entertainment evil or bad for society. Let's turn this around. I see nothing dark and terrible about the women stripping, but I sure have to ask what is wrong with the people so opposed to nude dancing? Why are these house wives, etc that all claim to be pillars of the community so fixated on these clubs? Are they sick? "

Mac wrote on Oct 27, 2008 9:51 AM:

" All right already! The author, not the stripper, made a typo with "inmate" vs. intimate. Get over it!

Furthermore, if you don't like strip clubs, STAY OUT! Simple. It's none of your business. In fact, it's a private business (in the economic sense). If you don't like what they offer then drive on by. "

Casper Resident wrote on Oct 27, 2008 10:14 AM:

" I have never been in Northern Dreams and I will never go to the new strip club either, but I would put my life on the line to fight for the rights of the clubs to exist, the rights of the girls to dance, and the rights of the patrons to frequent them. It is a free country afterall; we do not legislate morality; we teach it within our families. If you are opposed to strip clubs then teach your children not to go there. I am more worried about the ridiculously high number of churches that we have in our community; some way too radical in their views for me; yet, I do not try to keep them out of town. I do, however, believe that the churches should be taxed like any other business, since that's exactly what they are is businesses. Churches are becoming way too rich and powerful; it's a threat to the separation of church and state that our democracy was founded on. "

Christinaj wrote on Oct 27, 2008 10:56 AM:

" One reason these women would want to go by their alias is because of safety issues. There are men who think they are in love with some of these women and if they found out their real names, they would be able to find out where thet live and who their children are and possibly cause harm to the woman and her family.
My step mother was a dancer and a few times, some of these guys found out where she lived and would show up at our front door looking for her. Of course almost all of them were really freaked out when us kids answered the door because that is not at all how they pictured things in their heads.
Unfortantly, this kind of profession does attract the weirdos and I have to add that these weirdos are already out there, clubs don't make them. The dancers do have to protect themselves and their families from these weirdos and of course from the radicals like Maria who might show up at their door to try to "save" them from the evil world of naked money makin booty shakin. Some of the radicals are more of a threat then the stalkers!!!!! "

Amused wrote on Oct 27, 2008 11:24 AM:

" Obviously Disgusted is not in a healthy relationship and sadly has never been in one or he/she would not view Maria Antonovich’s comments about people who have very healthy marriages, healthy intimate relationships with their spouses as “more disgusting and degrading than what the strippers are doing”. HA. What a joke. Disgusted should change their name to SAD. Sign me as someone who has a healthy marriage with a healthy intimate relationship with my spouse. "

Uthink wrote on Oct 27, 2008 11:47 AM:

" Just to put it out there I have read numerous remarks about the use alias and not there real name. Ok seroiusly listen to ALL the angry people about this saying bad things about then now and you dont even know them as a person. But could you imagine if there real names got out. The would have to deal with the mouths of jealous people or angry people who dont like the idea. If they go under a false name then they can stay protected outside of work. Yeah you would recognize them in public BUT only if you actually attended the show. If you dont like the idea dont go. "

Cheri wrote on Oct 27, 2008 11:59 AM:

" I'm told that I was born naked. I suppose that I should have been banned immediately? "

Glendo wrote on Oct 27, 2008 12:12 PM:

" I hope that the ladies are tipped really well. When Obama starts his social redistribution of wealth program they'll need more money since Obama will be taking it from them. Open your tight little purses stay at home moms and help these hard working strippers! "

Dolores wrote on Oct 27, 2008 12:18 PM:

" If strippers lead to divorce, then agriculture must lead to bestiality, right stay at home moms? "

Barbara Jean wrote on Oct 27, 2008 12:38 PM:

" If you are a stay at home mother, you probably don't do much night life, so how and why is this even your business? How does this club impact your happy little life? Is knowing that it exists just to much for you to deal with mentally? I bet that you loose sleep at night over lots of other things you cannot control too don't you? "

Frank S wrote on Oct 28, 2008 5:48 AM:

" Dear WRONG: I am not a jerk. i am actually a really nice guy. I am just saying if you go to any strip club in America , I would bet Cinnamon or Jasmyn or Aura or whatever her name is ...would have one or all three of these aforementioned issues going on. I did read the article by the way. "

Moral Character wrote on Oct 28, 2008 12:21 PM:

" I agree with Casper Resident. I too will probably never frequent a strip club but will fight to keep the right to choose to go or not. I agree that I am more afraid of those who would take this right away than anyone who would open a strip club.
I for one am strong in what I believe and would not be coerced into thinking another way by the opening of a strip club or a church, therefore I do not feel the need to regulate either. "

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